To come to take: That reminds me coffee tasted from different machines so far nor particularly well received, I was promoted in recent years for tea drinkers. And I did not think that it could change something. In my circle of various fully automatic machines of all manufacturers are represented - no one could convince me, neither taste nor by the operator and volume. Until I came to a Siemens whose grinding and brewing group is incidentally identical to the Jura devices, Siemens is even finished with Jura let (quality!). + Simple operation (the plain text display can get over) + Very hot coffee (adjustable) + Standby time adjustable + Real power switch available + Big water tank (1.8 l) + Large beans stock (250g) + Low flush water, dry coffee grounds o reasonable volume of the grinder - Needs improvement is at best the drip tray for the rinse water: When it is full, spilling when removing the shell slightly above the water, since the edge (design) is fairly low. Would resolve a flanging inward here. Conclusion: Anyone who wants quality and who the law is too expensive, which will be more than satisfied with this Siemens. And: My wife as a diehard Kaffeetante is thrilled! Tip: I have now tried different coffees - it is not necessarily the most expensive. Moreno (Aldi Nord) tastes very good!