For me right, go up to about 5Grad.Zum bicycle, ski or Alltag.Bei cold weather pants lined richtig.gut, comfortable to wear and robust.Genug bags for Verstauen.Verarbeitung true auch.Habe pants for about 2 years and no one wears Verschleißerscheinung.Ok yes even if it's really cold ist.Dünne underpants and minus 17 degrees were quite bearable (Erzgebirge 2011).