there would have negative things to say about this console but I'll simplify. console purchased without kinnet, verdict, we must return his Forgot username EVERY time you turn it on to connect to their profile. it seems that with kinnet, no to. except that if the live service is down (which is the case at the time of writing, and that happens a little too often for my taste), you can not play EVERYTHING. because no profile connected, no game launch. you just wait for the Live restarted. it was the first big negative. 2ND downside: the installation is very long, knowing that if there is an update while you play, most of the time we will not let you choose, you must run the update so re Installation . which I sealed my secondary progression far cry 4 (completed secondary objectives but recorded in 100% of the game) Let us add to this, regular freeze (forza, far cry, halo and I forget). you find yourself in the console screen. and finally sells you microsoft games Kitt (forza 5) or ultra buggy (assassin unity, ditto on ps4 ?, madden 25, ditto on ps4?) but that's another story. by cons, super joystick (good ergonomics) that we do not need to recharge every 2 hours (ps4). I am neither pro or anti thingy thingy. I have the 360 and PS3, same for this new generation. I was raised to ps1 and have owned the first Xbox. I played 360 games and the multiplatform PS3 I used to its excluded. for this generation, I'll do the opposite though I prefer rather clearly one joystick. because right now, I have not seen graphic differences between the multiplatform games but on ps4, No (at least, this has not yet happened) all the negatives mentioned above . I was talking of course of the console as a game console and not multimedia platform. it is a long time since they had just switch on their console and play ALL on. :) Long live technology very useful when everything else works ......