I have ordered the briefs in size 7 and they fit as expected. In the washing instructions than max. Wash temperature 60 degrees specified. Nevertheless, I have washed the briefs to the first fitting at 95 degrees. Even after the 95 degree wash the briefs fit just as, as in the first try-before hot water cycle. So I'm assuming that Schiesser quality is still Schiesser quality. I can therefore recommend the briefs so far.