this is not meant as a criticism, I have indeed the Order already knew that the trousers have no support. But I've noticed that the carrier would have done here really well during use! The pants are great, the pad also really great, thick and sits at the right place. The fit of the pants is great too! BUT: the off-road driving, if you must put yourself in the pedals, to back leaning to drive downhill routes ..... because the pants slipping a little bit down and you then remain with the cushion on the saddle hang when you sit down again like ..... You get used to it, I like the pants anyway! Only the carrier had made real sense here!