So first I must say that I have previously read through one or the other review here and were told repeatedly that the pants too big to fail. So the problem I had with this pants definitely not. I ordered for my friend who usually wears a L with a height of 1.85 and 83kg. I thought I would rather buy them time one size bigger because he wears the pants like comfortable. Well, what can I say. He has attracted them and they just fit so. I would say from the feeling that there was more of a M as an XL. The processing is as far as I can judge well. The shipment was flawless and very quick. Therefore another 2 star.