OK what wants to be expected at this price? Bin go with the trousers together with snowboard in the ski hall and after a day of inner fabric is already torn and the white lining can be seen. Then we went on a skiing holiday there were no more crashes and thus further damage to the inner lining either. Even outside the trousers suffered damage. Positive she kept warm and dry despite the many cracks and damage and and the up to 18 degrees below zero. Conclusion for the novice to the more horizontal travels in the snow rather unsuitable. The one of the safe travels on his board or boards and rather less falls quite a viable alternative.