I only started with riding and did not want to spend much money for the same super pants. That's why I decided me for this in all black. I ordered in 38, at 1.80 m Height it ends just above the ankle. The seat and the quality I find for this price really reasonable. Even after washing their shape has not changed. Alllerdings I can only give 3 stars because the pants have completely scoured the inner knee after the first time longer riding. So much so that I had an open, bloody wound.