Long discussions make this clock actually makes little sense. Anyone who has a little busy with watches, just have to say in this case, show me an alternative that is technically better ist.Mir not on the market (List Price) known available. Of course you can find models that are 15-30 times as expensive, but there are also scratch resistant Cerachrom steady rests, and COSC- certified automatic caliber 3135 with Para Chrome Breguetspiralen compare verbaut.Derartige watches with Grovana -? - What is this? The Grovana provides the watch connoisseurs astonishing amount: ETA; sapphire glass, 30 bar, power Exactly, remarkable power reserve, excellent illumination of the hands and hour markers, date magnifier, shock protected shaft, tired snap unidirectional bezel, 316erEdelstahlgehäuse, swiss made, stable link bracelet. 5 stars - oddderr -? So put on your clock, wear, read precise time, remember lay back, watch winder ignore (power reserve allows many Uhrlose hours), Grovana eben.Wem the name is not like you can indeed call Beinhart Revue, - or rather Grovana .-- --tja the ALTRNATIVE - MARCELLO - the name sounds even better ..... the clock also ...