Of the possible Kletties for guys these are definitely beautiful. However, they are darker than shown here and therefore act somewhat bleak. Too bad. My son but they have fallen. I can not yet assess how well they hold. I find it a bit too expensive. 15 euros plus postage, although I have ordered the Ergobag the same shop. The supplied via Amazon, the Kletties not, therefore postage. I found not very customer oriented.