Doc Martens with a shoe, you know what you order - fan and addict of this brand, I have to say they are great! They are not too heavy for size, however steep the first worn. I have pretty strong legs, I appreciate this fact that allows the lacing to fit my body type. Cons: I had to buy a pair of laces (4m) to get to lace them up to the top, the tongue has the same extent at the bottom of the shoe (ankle level) than upper leg which that a piece of skin is visible from both sides when they are closed. One of 2 bunches had a strange fold on the back of the calf and the other not