Too bad that the Otterbox the optics of the Defy dirty so! Works with Box just bulky and 'thick'. But taste is well known subjective !! Furthermore bothers me that you if you come with your finger on the top edge of the Defy Silicone Case The box stands equal (is very cheap). Whoever got my phone in hand immediately said "what is that ?!" and has played with the silicone lip. If the silicone sleeve tighter, there would have been loose twice as many points! Too Bad ..