I ordered a pair of pants that goes a little higher, so I do not feel cold. But this I can draw almost below the breast, thus higher than waist. Since however the positive overall impression does not Abruch total, I am still very satisfied. However, one must note here that the pants really holds very warm. So if you want to just go hereby celebrate, should take the unlined version and prefer to freeze out briefly as the club sweat for hours;)