I was looking for a fleece jacket and had thereby a Jack Wolfskin Thunder Bay and this Vaude Smaland to choose from. The Jack Wolfskin Jacket is a lot thicker, was actually my favorite, I had speculated this to be zipped raincoat in my Jack Wolfskin: Wrong! Apparently you can only certain zipped jackets, so a scrap! The Vaude jacket is generally more comfortable to wear, is not too thin. The size is L with very good fit for me, I wear otherwise mostly size L. The jacket in black is great and I can only recommend!