Unfortunately, my old TH Down Lipper after nearly 2.5 years completely gone through (I've already lost down feathers ... hehe), so I was looking for a new pair. The difference compared to the old, however, was that I am out with these slipped back again and again, which I found extremely annoying after a short running-in. Also this Zuziehbändchen could not prevent this. That is why this couple went sadly back. The design itself was very nice though and even on the processing, I had nothing to complain about. I would, however, still be happy if TH would return to his old fit again.