I have read many times that the pants to lose more, I ordered the jeans in various sizes and also washes. It was noticeable that material and size between the different washes are totally different. The fabric is in some washings much thicker and stiffer than in others. For instance, the material in the Logic Wash quite thick and stiff, while the Whisper Wash and the 2 Years Wash are thinner and more elastic. Accordingly, the fit of pants varies greatly. The elastic models fall naturally from something more comfortable. In summary, but I can not confirm that the pants fails fundamentally greater. Normally I wear jeans in size 27, sometimes 26. When LTB Valerie is my 27 but too tight to the hip bone, which she sits too far down. Although the 28 matches at this point better, but it is me on the leg and buttocks too far and contributes unfavorably. Actually a great pants (which would normally deserve a better rating), but not necessarily optimal for all body types. When in doubt, quiet times try another wash.