Finally I packed times holder of that are really top quality! Basic metal holder, everything afterwards covered with covers - looks from the side of good, if the boxes do not completely obscure the holder. Tilting and turning, is not pretending, nothing wobbles or rattles! Have an older satellite system mounted so - but you should always observe the size of the mounting plates, which are bolted to the speakers! My speakers have no millimeters may be smaller, otherwise the panels would look out the side, because the Speaker run narrower backwards.