Have these "Old School" -Feinripp-vests, which I myself do not wear, ordered for my father, who asked me ("Tell, me, you order it so often in this Amazon ..." (He himself no longer comes so often out and is no longer part of the PC generation ...). The goods were then super fast da.Er tried the first and it fitted like a glove. The quality log to be prinipiell good, even if the substance me first a little thin appeared; the first wash has me (us) but disabused: Still all good And when I met him just asked, "Daddy, I have to evaluate your vests online How many out of 5 points you forgive.?" he without hesitation "Fifth of course!" answered. And the desire my dad is me with my 43 years still (?) command ...