ok I guess even if I so read through the other recessions me .... then I have possibly caught a manufacturing defect ... my tie in brown ... by the way of color, fabric and design very nice ... has just completely dissolved unfortunately just a wedding into its component parts. the seam is worked out and until I had noticed it was already too late. the tie was worn inside a jacket, so I only noticed the evening off that had inseam really been completely separated on about 20 cm. shame but I think at the price ..... if you have a with good seam caught still recommended.