I bought because of the color me these pins. Since my Copic were too expensive. It really was all about the bright colors myself. However, these are very dark. What is she doing to shape the perspectives etc. almost useless. Half of the colors I've never used. Since I had my Copic also can buy already (where there are also refills). To draw in itself, they are okay. The tips are slightly harder than the Copic, you get used to quickly.