I ordered the pliers after the ancient, was geerbet disappeared from Grandpa and cheap Baumarkt-replacement had cost me enough nerve. After the latter for it with the greatest effort not even managed to get 3 attempts a clean hole in the belt, I had set at at least 2 trials with these pliers - but nothing there: Now a clean hole. The pliers works great, it's not at all times much force necessary and it is super processed. For the price I can not imagine a better machine!