The pins I already knew, and knew therefore that they are good. I draw a lot and prefer to be the Polychromos von Faber Castell, but the way these pins are a really good substitute. They have a good ink transfer and are also good at painting in his hand. what more do you want? Maybe that faces not ever cancel. This is probably the worst after the delivery of all times unfortunately the case. The packaging of the pins is not in itself large and could be easily sent in a padded envelope. However, the seller preferred rather a carton. What it now is so bad? The fact that in addition to the pins, of which another 20 packages would have fit in there, there was nothing more in the box. Etc. to protect not a paper about the pins. So you were shaken well in the much too large cardboard box and look already from the actual packaging. Conclusion: The pins are worth their price. But again I would not order me. For the same price you get them in any good office supply store. And the intact !!