I use now "VISS scouring citrus" for all my stainless steel pots and pans, stainless steel and ceramic rinsing basin, bath, badkacheln and often also for the toilet (only for under the edge I take at intervals an extra toilet cleaners). dressing well, smelling fresh lemon. all the best. and expensive, it is not. just 1.35 euros for 500ml bottle. In principle, you look at the special putzkram almost completely saved all other, usually two or three times as expensive. could I try much earlier. but, well, the opportunity and try making kluch. ;-)