We had for 6 years a Saeco Incanto. Since we just did not taste the coffee from this machine - we looked around for alternatives. Siebträgermaschine, coffee machine, or at least back to the filter machine? After hours of verbringem the Internet to read what is recommended - was after very short time there will be a clear Siebträgermaschine. But the system we liked at the coffee machine with the Integrated milk container for cappuccino and latte. So back on foraging :-) and lo and behold - we are then met with the DeLonghi EC 860.M. :-) Since this machine was "very good" and "great coffee experience" awarded in several coffee machine Test`s with, it was clear that we buy us this machine. Because it is priced well below a great fully automatic - but provides a coffee tips we have not drunk in fully automatic. So strong buy recommendation !!!