Have ordered directly from the devil boxes. Class packed and quite impressive as they now stand there. Actually, I would have no new boxes used since my Teufel Theater was sufficient 80 system for our 34sqm living room already. Did not bother me, however, always the "thin" sound when I hear music via stereo. So the L / R front speakers are now exchanged for the Ultima 40 and the rest remained as it was. Once again on the Denon AVRX1100W (which I can also recommend) calibrated and tested properly. I have to say, the difference is definitely not to be missed :-)) really did not think that you can get such a good speaker for this course. Of course, one also moves with this combo is far in the seventh high fidelity heaven, but you have to always look at the cost side. From this perspective, I can in any case say that this was the best possible rausgeholt. The "active subwoofer T 800 SW" of the Theater 80 system (after all, already blessed with its own 150W RMS power) way, I have now disconnected after 2 days and first mothballed. The Ultimas push such a bass in the room, since the sub was simply unemployed.