Have my old Bosch must decommission six months ago wg. Total loss after 7 years. The term was not much, but at least she has flushed clean. When Siemens which is unfortunately not the case. Although I here mitlerweile only at the highest level (70 degrees) and wash to the normal tabs (which already contain everything) also extracting salt and rinse aid in the respective chambers fill, the result is sobering. There are always doing glasses or plates that are not properly cleaned. Because (if Siemens or Bosch) anyway all come from the same "stable", I do not know what to buy next time. These brands but certainly no longer