I was tired of Tef * potentially toxic to the lining and the limited lifespan, so I fell for these debuyer 119 Beautiful pans cleaner easily, I have forgotten one on the fire cooking the potatoes with water, result: big black crust over 2/3 of the interior, after soaking in baking soda and scrubbing stone money, I recovered impeccable. We're a little tired of having only one removable handle for that price, and we do not know if we are dealing with in the 18/10 because it is marked nowhere for these 2 points I takes only 4-star. >> Update after 3 years of daily use: These pans are living very well, I am totally satisfied, ultra convenient storage that take up little space, no play on the removable handle (actually there is a small game since 1 day never amplified ). An ability to find sparkling as the 1st day once past the Pierre d'Argent. One can easily imagine always use the same in 20 years.