I have long been looking for the right breadmaker after I previously had two from a discount store. The choice fell on the Unold 8641, after reading some reviews here. Ordered Thursday morning, provided me with Amazon Friday afternoon already the device. I've noticed significant differences to approve discounter devices immediately: the baking pan is equipped with a very good non-stick coating and the dough hook themselves are very well coated and processed. My first attempts go right away. The breads have thanks to the horizontal inner baking dish an almost normal appearance and the holes in the bread are relatively narrow, because the dough hooks are not as big. The programs are in my view sufficient. Those who want to necessarily have a specially programmable program, which would have to take the next higher unit of Unold. Since you anyway mostly only works with 4 programs, this is the value for money for the 8641!